False Unity: Ecumenicism, Math, and Time
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False Unity: Ecumenicism, Math, and Time
The Bible has a LOT to say about unity of the
church. We know unity is going to happen just before the great harvest
brings a massive number of people to the church in one generation:
John 17:21-23 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us,
that the world may believe that You sent Me. (22) And the
glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are
one: (23) I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made
perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have
loved them as You have loved Me.
The world will know Jesus is the messiah when His
Bride, or the end time church, is united in the same reality of those first
disciples and the “great cloud of witnesses” who loved God at cost throughout
history. Unity is an end-time reality. The book of Revelation describes the
answering of Jesus’ prayer by God:
Revelation 19:7-9 Let us be
glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and
His wife has made herself ready." (8)
And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for
the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. (9) Then he said to me, "Write:
'Blessed are
those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!' " And he said to
me, "These are the true sayings of God."
All the parts of the Church that endure through the Great Tribulation are Jesus’ Bride. This requires endurance. Division is promised to produce this unity:
Matthew 24:9-14 "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and
kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.
(10) And
then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
(11) Then
many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. (12) And because
lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. (13) But he who
endures to the end shall be saved. (14)
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in
all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
This “unity by sanctification” or unity by “coming out”
is the Gospel that will be preached…the “this Gospel” that will be
preached to the nations by the end time Bride.
Jesus PRAYED for unity. That means He asked God the
Father to give it to Him. No one else is able to make that happen.
Jesus never asked His disciples to give Him unity, because it would be
impossible for them to do so. When we, as His disciples, try to arrange
unity for Him, that is not honoring His prayer…it is circumventing it. There are VERY specific reasons for
this. The unity Jesus wants will not
compromise one ounce of truth. This is
impossible for man. It is not faithful
to try to arrange unity, it is presumptuous.
Faithfulness is speaking truth in love. Standing on hard and divisive truths, like
Jesus, and patiently waiting for men to decide what they want. Even to the point of our own
persecution. That is the cross we have
to take up to follow Jesus.
Unity, or what we would call the second
commandment...loving neighbor as we love ourselves...can only flow in truth out
of the first commandment: loving God with all of our heart, mind, soul, and
strength:
Matthew 22:36-40
"Teacher, which is
the great commandment in the law?" (37)
Jesus said to him, 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR
GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
(38) This
is the first and great commandment. (39) And the second is like it: 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR
NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' (40)
On these two commandments hang all the Law and the
Prophets."
Jesus has appointed leadership in the true Spirit-filled
apostolic church to lead the church, in humble submission to the direct
leadership of the Holy Spirit, into unity in the face of deceptive false
doctrines of unity! This is what Ephesians 4 is about:
Ephesians 4:4-17 There is one body and
one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; (5) one Lord, one faith, one baptism; (6) one God and Father of all, who is above all, and
through all, and in you all. (7)
But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's
gift. (8) Therefore He says:
"WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVITY CAPTIVE, AND GAVE GIFTS TO
MEN." (9) (Now this,
"HE ASCENDED"—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower
parts of the earth? (10) He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the
heavens, that He might fill all things.) (11)
And He Himself gave some to
be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and
teachers, (12) for the equipping
of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
(13) till we all come to the
unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to
the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; (14) that we should no longer be children,
tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the
trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, (15) but, speaking the truth in love, may
grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— (16) from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every
joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its
share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love. (17) This I say, therefore, and testify in
the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in
the futility of their mind,
Anything God wants is counterfeited by Satan in an
effort to provide a false alternative. Satan is not a creator, he is a counterfeiter...a
thief who comes to steal, kill, and destroy. BUT, Satan generally comes as
an angel of light. This requires an
intentional effort to not be deceived by false unity.
I have to be very careful about things Jesus prayed
for, because these are the most valuable treasures and, therefore, the most
attacked realities. The things Jesus
wants are the places of the enemy's greatest attempt at deception AND the
things my heart is wired to want.
False unity is promised to come out of the church. That false unity is a religious counterfeit that denies the real power of Jesus. It will be brought about by men and women who haven’t given themselves to humility and meekness and self sacrifice, but rather to seeking celebrity and destiny and power for their own gain:
False unity is promised to come out of the church. That false unity is a religious counterfeit that denies the real power of Jesus. It will be brought about by men and women who haven’t given themselves to humility and meekness and self sacrifice, but rather to seeking celebrity and destiny and power for their own gain:
2 Timothy 3:1-8 But know
this, that in the last days perilous times will come: (2) For men will be lovers of themselves,
lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents,
unthankful, unholy, (3)
unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of
good, (4) traitors, headstrong,
haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, (5) having a form of godliness but denying
its power. And from such people turn away! (6)
For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of
gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, (7) always learning and never able to come
to the knowledge of the truth. (8)
Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth:
men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith;
Jannes and Jambres were magicians. They counterfeited the true works of God that
were coming through Moses' humble agreement.
There are many false doctrines of unity. They
all center on putting the second commandment in front of the first...basically
believing that if we get along, God will be pleased with us and come
more. This is the opposite of what the Bible teaches.
The Bible teaches that unity comes from my proximity
to God relative to the proximity of others to God. This keeps God in the center of unity. I picture spokes on a wheel, with Jesus as the hub. As I move closer to the hub on my line…my
spoke….and you move closer to Him on your spoke, we will get closer to one
another. That is true Biblical
unity.
The closer I get to Jesus and the closer you get to
Jesus, the closer I get to you.
If I love God with everything, He is the power to
love. Therefore, the natural overflow of
that is that I will get along with people better. This
is an end time reality and will be the cause of much persecution. As large portions of the church rally
together in hasty, impatient, and false unity, those who stand for the full truth
of Jesus will be persecuted like…well, like Jesus…
1 John 4:11-19 Beloved,
if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. (12) No one has seen God at any time. If we
love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.
(13) By this we know that we
abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. (14) And we have seen and testify that the
Father has sent the Son as
Savior of the world. (15)
Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in
God. (16) And we have known and
believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love
abides in God, and God in him. (17)
Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the
day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world. (18) There is no fear in love; but perfect
love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not
been made perfect in love. (19)
We love Him because He first loved us.
True unity isn't you and I agreeing about Jesus
together. True unity is me and Jesus agreeing about you. He knows
you perfectly, and loves us both. If I draw on His love for you, then we
have a shot at unity, WITHOUT VIOLATING TRUTH. The only other way to
unity is to circumvent, or go around, who Jesus really is. I see Him from my angle and you see Him from
yours. If, in impatience, before I see
Him closely enough to see your angle, we decide to not go THROUGH Him to each other,
then we might get unity for a minute, but it won’t be Jesus-centered…it will be
harlotry. AND, we will still disagree
about who He really is! So, not only
will we not have Jesus, we won’t REALLY have one-another either. We have to seek the kingdom INSIDE first, and
trust that the unity will be added as I grow more and more in Christ-likeness…loving
those I disagree with without compromising what is true. Again, this is impossible for man. That is the point. It REQUIRES the Father answer Jesus’
prayer.
Many want to show the world the Kingdom has come by
their unity. This is antichrist. The kingdom doesn’t come this way, as to be seen.
Luke 17:20-21 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; (21) nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."
The kingdom comes from within my own relationship with Jesus coming out as I learn to stand in truth at the cost of my own acceptance because I am choosing the Kingdom over the world. It comes by my sanctification. Sanctification HAS to come first. That means set apart…division…pure….Holy. THAT is what Jesus prayed for in John 17.
Luke 17:20-21 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; (21) nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."
John 17:17-21 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
(18) As
You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. (19) And for
their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.
(20) "I
do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through
their word; (21) that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us,
that the world may believe that You sent Me.
If we set all that Jesus is aside in the hopes we can
find some common ground, we have no power to get real unity. Instead
we'll get a weak satanic alternative that will lead to no Jesus and ultimately,
no unity.
False unity is usually born out of impatience.
Ecumenicism, or the rejoining of the fractured parts of the church, IS Biblical
and it is going to happen. The question is WHO has the wisdom to do it,
and WHEN is it promised? The
answers: the Father has appointed it to
Jesus at the “dispensation of the fullness of time”:
Ephesians
1:9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good
pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the
fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which
are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him.
Unity is an end time reality. It is going to
happen in the fullness of time. Trying to do it too early is actually an
attribute of the Antichrist. He tries to "change the times". Those who agree with him, through a false
unity movement led by the False Prophet, will then be subject to the Antichrist
spiritually and will betray other believers:
Daniel 7:25 He shall
speak pompous
words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And
shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For
a time and times and half a time.
The False Prophet
will be one of the most influential Christian leaders on the planet. He will
speak like a dragon…using Bible verses like Satan as he tried to tempt Jesus
away from the cross. He will have two
horns, like a lamb. He will seem so
innocent and Jesus-loving, but it’s a deception…what his unity will ultimately
bring is antichrist worship and enslavement:
Revelation 13:11-15 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. (12) And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. (13) He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. (14) And he deceives those who dwell on the earth—by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. (15) He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
Revelation 13:11-15 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. (12) And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. (13) He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. (14) And he deceives those who dwell on the earth—by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. (15) He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
This is because the Satanic plan to break the
power of the Church is centered on first binding the strong man, and then
plundering his house. Satan goes after
the praying church, praying on their right desires, in order to take out the
powerbase of her unflinching agreement with God. Once he can get her to compromise a little,
then the power of her agreement with God is gone and he will be able, with a
little force, to pressure her to worship him. Once the praying and power-filled
church is defiled, she is easy to control.
It’s happening right before our eyes…and it is
entirely related to impatience. The
Spirit-filled church is tired of waiting on the Spirit and is seeing a chance
to fulfill their dreams…global prayer, or ending abortion, or global peace and government. This impatience will harm many.
One of the dangers of impatient ecumenism is
related to math and conquering:
A house divided will fall. So mathematically, I
want to be really careful.
Mark 3:24-25 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. (25) And if a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
If two are walking toward the same destination and
they are divided from each other, they are more vulnerable to a fall.
Let’s imagine each of the
two legs of the split are made up of 100 members each…each leg still has the unity
of 100. But let's say both feel the need to reconcile, but don't have
clarity on the truth. The problem with truth, when it comes to unity, is
that truth will not compromise. It doesn’t
arbitrate:
Isaiah 47:3 Your nakedness shall be uncovered, Yes, your shame will be seen; I will take vengeance, And I will not arbitrate with a man."
Isaiah 47:3 Your nakedness shall be uncovered, Yes, your shame will be seen; I will take vengeance, And I will not arbitrate with a man."
Revelation 19:15 Now out of
His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He
Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of
the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Truth IS Jesus.
He is the way, the truth, and the life.
Truth is one and not variable. Truth only occupies one location. Everything else is false.
If seeing…trying to know truth…is what divided, then only Truth Himself can unite.
If seeing…trying to know truth…is what divided, then only Truth Himself can unite.
It's actually worse than this. The division is more like a tear than a break. So much confusion, hurt, and misunderstanding distract and detract from the heart work that makes a believer, and a community of believers, strong. The tearing makes the whole body twice as vulnerable to falling…. And for no real gain, as there is still no actual unity in
truth even between the factions that divided to unite!
Impatient ecumenism is unity based on trying to say the same thing with the same language, but apart from God’s leadership. This is Babylonian unity....the unity of purpose and language .... Babylonian unity only ultimately divides and is conquered.
Impatient ecumenism is unity based on trying to say the same thing with the same language, but apart from God’s leadership. This is Babylonian unity....the unity of purpose and language .... Babylonian unity only ultimately divides and is conquered.
Genesis 11:1-9 Now the
whole earth had one language and one speech. (2)
And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain
in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there. (3)
Then they said to one another, "Come, let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly."
They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar. (4) And they said, "Come, let us build
ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be
scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth." (5) But the LORD came down to see the city
and the tower which the sons of men had built. (6)
And the LORD said, "Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and
this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be
withheld from them. (7) Come,
let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand
one another's speech." (8)
So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth,
and they ceased building the city. (9)
Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the LORD confused the
language of all the earth; and from there the LORD scattered them abroad over
the face of all the earth.
This unity is the mother of all false religion and
harlotry:
Revelation 17:4-6 The woman
was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones
and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the
filthiness of her fornication. (5)
And on her forehead a name was
written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE
ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. (6) I
saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the
martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.
Remember, those who give in to impatience and
agree with the changing of the times and law are given into antichrist’s
hand. This is the falling-away church
that will eventually kill any Christians who tell it the truth in love:
John 16:1-3 "These things I have spoken to you, that you should
not be made to stumble. (2)
They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the
time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service.
(3) And
these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me.
People that love Jesus won’t go into this kind of rebellion unless they can
be lead away with false doctrine. The
doctrine that keeps us from being led away is focused on the return of Jesus to
make things right…understanding when the falling-away church says “peace and
safety” as Paul told the Thessalonians in 1 Thess 5, then sudden destruction
will come :
2 Peter 3:13-18
Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth
in which righteousness dwells. (14)
Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by
Him in peace, without spot and blameless; (15)
and consider that
the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to
him, has written to you, (16) as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things,
in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their
own destruction, as they
do also the rest of the Scriptures. (17)
You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own
steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; (18) but grow in the grace and knowledge of
our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
The compromised unity isn’t based in any
reconciliation of truth. It is simply a
mirage of reconciliation satanically-designed to weaken true doctrine. False religion is just that, a ruse for Satan
to impose himself as God. The more division he can foment, the easier his
job is.
If you had two divided and now you hve four, that's less
unity, not more.
Jesus didn't ask His
disciples for unity at all costs. He prayed to the Father for
unity. Trying to do what only God is supposed to do lawless, which makes
it antichrist. Antichrist doctrine will
be agreed with by many who profess the name of Jesus and do signs, miracles,
compassionate healing, and prophecy:
Matthew 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. (22) Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' (23) And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Matthew 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. (22) Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' (23) And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
The answer is to “come out” to be separated onto the
rock...onto Jesus Himself. The
cornerstone that will never move. We do
this by practically living out the Sermon on the Mount, which is more than I
can lay out here, but have taught a lot into.
The cliff notes: practically
living out the Sermon on the Mount will lead you to build a praying community
to seek first the kingdom and let the rest be added. This is how true unity will happen…in David’s
Tabernacle whose eyes are fixed on the temple mount and Israel being made a
praise in the nations:
Acts 15:14-18 Simon has declared how God at the
first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. (15) And with this the words of the prophets
agree, just as it is written: (16)
'AFTER THIS I WILL RETURN AND WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID, WHICH HAS
FALLEN DOWN; I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL SET IT UP; (17) SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK
THE LORD, EVEN ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME, SAYS THE LORD WHO
DOES ALL THESE THINGS.' (18)
"Known to God from eternity are all His works.
THIS is the unity Jesus prayed for in John 17…that a
gentile like me would be one with those 11 Jewish friends of His as He called
them further on with Him and me further on with Him…not backwards.
Many caught up in impatient ecumenism have very good
intentions. God won't measure me by good
intentions. He will measure me by obedience to His commands. He is
truth. He can't be ignored, especially in his own name.
Luke 12:48-56 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving
of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from
him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they
will ask the more. (49) "I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it
were already kindled! (50)
But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how
distressed I am till it is accomplished! (51)
Do you suppose that I came to give
peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division. (52) For from
now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against
three. (53) Father will be divided against son and son against father,
mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her
daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."
(54) Then He also said to the
multitudes, "Whenever you see a cloud rising out of the west, immediately you say, 'A
shower is coming'; and so it is. (55)
And when you see the south wind blow, you say,
'There will be hot weather'; and there is. (56) Hypocrites! You can
discern the face of the sky and of the earth, but how is it you do not discern this time?
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